Topic: Suggestions for 2.8

[Lee_dC]

call me an idiot if this is already possible and ive just not realised how to do it, but i find it really annoying how if i try play a mp3 or wav, it still goes thru the eq+reverb+AAR stuff that the modules do. i dont need those things on wav or mp3, so it would be great if there was a screen where you could select which parts of the output stage to apply to each filetype. or maybe different eq&reverb settings per filetype? so for mp3 and wav id just turn all that stuff off, then if i put mp3/wav/mod/xm all in the same playlist, i wont have to keep switching the eq/reverb and stuff off when it hits the wav/mp3 files. you could use the "save settings per file" thing i think, but that still means setting it up for every mp3/wav doesnt it? as it is, i only use xmplay for playing modules because of this. btw, the sinc interpolation sounds really great in v2.7!!! and 24/32bit output works now for me. even old MODs sound amazing with a bit of EQ+reverb

[Pike84]

Well, I'm not calling you an idiot - I don't think there are default settings per filetype yet. Could make a useful addition, yup .

[Ian @ un4seen]

Nope. I get a speaker element-obliterating all frequency-encompassing noise.

Is this with everything you try to play at 24-bit (eg. MP3/OGG/MOD), or just some particular 24-bit WAV files? If it's everything, what happens if you set the output to 32-bit instead? If it's just 24-bit WAV files, please upload one to look at

or maybe different eq&reverb settings per filetype?

I'll look into it. In the meantime, the EQ (Q) and Reverb (V) shortcuts may be of some use

[Torkell]

I'll stay out of this one now, except for a couple of things:

One, xmplay.ini does exist, it is on my system as E:\Data\Programs\Un4seen\XMPlay\xmplay.ini, I can upload it, a screenshot of the file tree, a scanned printout of the contents of it, anything to prove that it does exist. It contains plugin settings, and could easily be expanded for other, advanced settings.

Two, I use IE which I either start by Win->P->I[->Enter], or by typing the adress in the address bar on my desktop (did you know you could have it there) and whacking return.

Three, the reason you need two versions of JavaScript is because Mozilla does not support DHTML, an official W3C standard, which is fully supported (beyond the original specification) by Microsoft, and which Mozilla *should* be made to support.

[Tsorovan]

Is this with everything you try to play at 24-bit (eg. MP3/OGG/MOD), or just some particular 24-bit WAV files? If it's everything, what happens if you set the output to 32-bit instead? If it's just 24-bit WAV files, please upload one to look at :)

I've done some testing, and it seems it's only Cubase SX clips that behave like this, maybe they're using some weird header stuff that XMPlay doesn't like...I'll upload a bit from one (24-48_weirdness.wav).

[Ian @ un4seen]

It's sorted for the next release... it was actually being detected as an MPEG file, that's why it sounded a bit funny

[Tsorovan]

Smashing!

[Lee_dC]

it would be good if (for mods with looping), there was an extra option called "fade out loop" or something. then when the song reached the loop point (or after playing it once if you have "loop once" selected), it would start fading out the song, and when it reaches silence, the next song begins. that way, when you have a song that doesnt have a proper ending (ie. a looped mod), at least it will fade out nicely at the end instead of abruptly stopping at the loop point, then the next song bursting in. also would work the same for MODs with "multi-songs" in them.

:idea:also i had a crazy idea (it would be of more benefit to MOD than XM i think tho) where each instrument gets sent to a channel in a mixer, so you can add different amounts of EQ/reverb and maybe plugin effects too (VST?), also set the volume/panning etc.... like the mixer in cubase or whatever. and it would be cool if you could save it to a file once you have a good "mix", then other people could load your mix settings in for that song. so you could make an old MOD sound a lot better & modern & stuff   i think it would be a good balance between time spent on a mix and the noticeable improvement, as it wouldnt take long to set up a mix. it would have to save the settings for each MOD of course.

[Pike84]

That idea of fade-out for looped mods is nice - you got my support .

Dunno about that crazy idea, tho. Remixing mods could be nice, but I think it's just not something for a music player. Besides, it would probably be a rather large task to add something like that effectively, so that it would work and be of some real use. I think we should let XMPlay be just a player, and leave remixing and stuff for some other project.

[Jace]

About that crazy idea..
Sounds like you would be able to do that in any 'modern' tracker fairly easily, and save it as your own file.

[Zarggg]

Bad community! This was on the bottom of Page 2!

One thing I thought of... Would it be possible to include a randomizer for skins at startup (optional .INI/Registry entry, set to true or false)? -- This could really possibly be a 3.x feature; I'd love to see 3.x use an .INI config instead of a Registry config. Exceptions, of course, include file associations.

Also, could Ian or someone else with the ability make a standalone .SVP for the built-in Spectrum and 3-D Spectrum? I like the way those look, and would love to include those in my Rappa list.

[Pike84]

Hehe, perhaps people are too content with the current XMPlay?

I wouldn't worry about the numbering - that skin randomizer could as well be a 2.8 feature if you ask me. Besides, I'd be surprised if there was to be as big a change in XMPlay on 3.0, as there was on 2.0

[Zarggg]

I suppose. It's just that I hold personally that whole-number versions should be a major change/improvement over the prior.

[somekdi]

Actually, something that I really wanted is support for the creative controller, so add additional support to the hotkeys.

Instead of just using the keyboard to control, you may have other options like a remote controller or just for the hell of it, a joystick controller hotkey etc..

[velusip]

velusip: It's all very well making XMPlay uncrashable, but what if Windows self-destructs?

Let that be up to windows, what I mean is that XMPlay should not crash itself, and as my experience has it, XMPlay /has never crashed/... but plugins have, taking XMPlay with it...

Perhaps the plugins could spawn completely seperate processes and stream audio data back to XMPlay?

I just think that mean old plugins should not have a say in the general run of things.

[Pike84]

velusip: I agree, but it might not be so easy to prevent XMPlay crashing along with a sucky plugin. I'm not a programmer, so this is just an assumption, tho .

Now that a separate 'preferences' dialog is under way, it's easier to add new settings . So here's one minor suggestion: to be able to set the thread priority via the player.

[Pike84]

Here's another, very tiny, suggestion: when starting the player for the first time, make the info window be open by default, preferrably with the extended playlist panel on. People don't immediately fix their eys on the info window button, and then they wonder why the playlist window is so small..

[Pike84]

I thought it'd be appropriate to put these here too, for clarity:

- DSP-plugin support. This is not exactly a whole new suggestion - I remember it being mentioned earlier. But anyway, would it be very hard to implement? I've gotten the idea, that there are some very nice stuff available via these.

- Surround sound, for those with lots of speakers. Again I've no idea how hard it would be to add something like this, but since there are many good players around and the competition is tough, this could be one excellent way to stand out . Winamp has support for 4.1, so better make it at least 5.1 .

[velusip]

- Surround sound, for those with lots of speakers. Again I've no idea how hard it would be to add something like this, but since there are many good players around and the competition is tough, this could be one excellent way to stand out . Winamp has support for 4.1, so better make it at least 5.1 .

Yes! omg! I completely forgot about that. With the BASS system involved this should /definitely/ be implemented... 7.1 damnit! *It's about tyme I tried out that new Vivid/Energy H.E.S. of mine ;þ

And with H.E.S.'s involved, an internal DC offset filter is a /MUST/.

[k0.wax]

i wanna more "original" stereo panning///

[Ian @ un4seen]

Here's another, very tiny, suggestion: when starting the player for the first time, make the info window be open by default...

Done

- DSP-plugin support. This is not exactly a whole new suggestion - I remember it being mentioned earlier. But anyway, would it be very hard to implement? I've gotten the idea, that there are some very nice stuff available via these.

I mentioned previously that if there are people wanting to create DSP plugins for XMPlay, then I'd be willing to add a DSP plugin system... not much point otherwise

Maybe something for 3.0

- Surround sound, for those with lots of speakers. Again I've no idea how hard it would be to add something like this, but since there are many good players around and the competition is tough, this could be one excellent way to stand out . Winamp has support for 4.1, so better make it at least 5.1 .

4/5/7.1 support is planned... not necessarily for generating some surround sound effect, but more for file formats that have multi-channel capability - ie. WAV, OGG, WMA, and any Winamp plugins that may be capable of it.

[f_x]

I have have the same suggestion as for 2.7

http-proxy support would nice.

greetings
f_x

[Ian @ un4seen]

XMPlay uses Windows' proxy settings... if you've not already done so, try setting the proxy in Control Panel->Internet Properties->Connections.

[Rah'Dick]

I noticed that even BASS uses IE's proxy settings, which totally rules.

Oh, by the way... A Dolby ProLogic/II Plugin for Winamp:
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/detail.jhtml?componentId=129453

I want DSP plugins

[Pike84]

Another small suggestion: sort list by directory structure.