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[tigre]

There's a dsp plugin for winamp called crossfeed (don't confuse with crossfade!). BTW, it's integrated in foobar2000, too.
For those who don't know what it is: If you listen to music recorded for playback on speakers (most CDs available are) through headphones, there'll be sounds audible only for one ear, which hardly occurs with natural sounds (well, maybe if someone whispers in your ear). Crossfeed adds a portion of left channel to right channel (delayed by some ms) and the other way round (simplified). Using this I can use headphones longer without getting tired - I get the impression that it moves the sounds outside my head.
I'd like to have something similar in XMPlay - I (and probably many others) listen to music through headphones while sitting in front of my PC - and I'd like to encode crossfeeded mp3s for portable use.

[Pike84]

A Winamp plugin, eh? Well, they should work fine with Xmplay, no?

[Jace]

DSP plugin.. I think those ones don't work with XMP =)
Could be wrong too.. We need a confirmation from someone who knows for sure =)

[Fraggie]

I'm sure.  

[Pike84]

Sure of which? That they don't work? More work for Ian then, huh ..

[Olego]

Don't Surround Sound and Reverb and Stereo Separation accomplish the same?

~Olego~

[tigre]

@olego:
I'd like to test it. Do you have experience/suggestions for good settings of these features?

[Rah3D]

Unfortunately, Surround and Stereo Separation don't apply to streams, only to trackers...  

[Tsorovan]

Eh...sounds like mono to me. Oh well.

[pats his decent Sennheiser HD490 headphones.]

[tigre]

Eh...sounds like mono to me.

in this case is
sound = read about it and think or
sound = listen to it and hear ?

BTW on decent HD 530 it's still stereo, just different as described in my first post.

For those who want to know more about it:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=5042&s=197b87505d6b5ee05c2ddfa208b068de
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=4597&s=197b87505d6b5ee05c2ddfa208b068de
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=4140&s=197b87505d6b5ee05c2ddfa208b068de

[Ian @ un4seen]

Crossfeed adds a portion of left channel to right channel (delayed by some ms) and the other way round (simplified). Using this I can use headphones longer without getting tired - I get the impression that it moves the sounds outside my head.

This sounds (read about it and think ) like a simple "surround sound" effect. I would've thought that there might be a problem (an annoying echo) with sounds that are centered. But I guess it probably uses a very small delay and does some filtering to reduce that unpleasantness. Anyway, I'll look into it

[Tsorovan]

Ah. The keyword was "delayed". I must read more attentively in the future.

[Pike84]

I just read the latest of "XMPlay vs Foobar2000" thread and remembered this suggestion.. So Ian, will crossfeed be enabled in Xmplay too ?

[Ian @ un4seen]

I've been concentrating on BASS recently, so have not yet really started on any XMPlay 2.7 additions (apart from the tag/title updating thing and non-interpolated mixing). BASS 1.8 will be released soon, then I will start looking into all the suggestions/requests

[tigre]

Here is a thread (in German) about another crossfeed-like DSP plugin (for Winamp 2.x). It's cofigurable, so you can play with it and get an impression of what it does and how it sounds. Download here.

[Ian @ un4seen]

I was wondering... while obviously not being exactly the same, would a low level reverb give a similar (maybe nicer?) effect?

I've tried the Winamp plugin briefly, but I've never used any "crossfeed" plugin in my day-to-day listening, so I'm not familiar with exactly what it sounds like, but I imagine a low level reverb would give a similar effect. If you've not tried playing with the reverb settings in XMPlay, you could give that a go

[tigre]

Thanks for the quick reply and for the idea about reverb. From what I understand how it works it's comparable to reverb, but still different (in theory, I haven't tried what's the difference in sound like).

I'm planning to do some comparison between the two plugins and post some samples for downloading. I'll include a sample reverb'ed by XMPlay in this test. If you want to recommend me settings for this you're welcome (remember, it's about moving the instruments from inside of your head in front of you while listening with headphones), otherwise I'll try and find out what sounds best to me.

Cheers tigre

[kode54]

Rather long read here.

I'm inclined to believe it's more like its name says, a delayed crossfeed. A percentage of sound from each side is fed into the other side, with a bit of delay, to simulate how sounds we hear to left or right do tend to reach the other ear. (Except through headphones, which is the purpose of the crossfeed effect.)