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[TronixA]

Thanks for the link but I already have that input plugin loaded for WinAMP. It won't open mods with the *.zip file extension and also the output isn't in Dolby Surround like XMplay is. In other words, I still like XMplay's features much better I wonder why the block heads at WinAMP expect everyone to go and rename their zip files to the respective *.*z where *.it should be zipped and renamed to *.itz.. I haven't tried to fool the player yet, but even still, the output is crappy as it only plays through one channel on my stereo system. Even the native modplayer that comes with Winamp does the same thing.
   Anyhow, I appreciate your help guys! I just need to hope that Ian will hear my suggestions out. How many Benjamin Franklins would it take?? heheh
                         Tronix

[Ian @ un4seen]

Why is it that you don't want to include the Winamp vis plugins? Is it a technical issue or is it just that you don't care for Winamp?

It's not due to any dislike of Winamp, after all XMPlay already supports Winamp input plugins. It's just that when I was looking at the vis plugin systems, I felt that the Sonique system was a better one.

[TronixA]

Ian, that sounds like a fair answer. You have put a lot of hard work into this XMplay program and it shows. You have also succeeded at doing something no other music player has been able to do with 100% perfection and that is compatibility with another program's visual effects plugins.
    I must admit that I do like Soniques plugins as well. They are pretty cool at least in the small window. When you try to enlarge the window to be more than 800x600 the aliasing and pixelation starts to show badly. Unfortunately this makes using the sonique vis plugins unsuitable for full screen play. For the time being, I am using a screen-saver version of the Winamp plugin Geiss which does support 1024x768 full screen. The only thing is that you don't get control of the player from the screen saver nor does the screen saver display the song name like it does if it were incorporated as a plugin.
    At any rate Ian, whether you choose to incorporate the winamp plugin feature or not, I want to say thank you for making a damn good mod player. The mod community has lacked a good windows based player and you are the first to really push the envelope. I seriously love your player and it's the only thing I use to play mod files on my desktop.    
    Have a good day!
             Tronix

[Keltic Danor]

    I must admit that I do like Soniques plugins as well. They are pretty cool at least in the small window. When you try to enlarge the window to be more than 800x600 the aliasing and pixelation starts to show badly. Unfortunately this makes using the sonique vis plugins unsuitable for full screen play. For the time being, I am using a screen-saver version of the Winamp plugin Geiss which does support 1024x768 full screen. The only thing is that you don't get control of the player from the screen saver nor does the screen saver display the song name like it does if it were incorporated as a plugin.

I think you might find, that the issue does not lie with the sonique visuals. Although there are a number of visuals, most can be run at any resolution. The real issue is that at the moment XMPlay will only display the visual in 320x300 resolution (or something like that). I believe Ian has tried to implement a way to select any resolution you like, but this produced lock-ups on visuals that have a hard-coded fixed resolution. :-/

In other words once a work around is found you won't have any problems with the visual system.

[Redgemz]

The real issue is that at the moment XMPlay will only display the visual in 320x300 resolution (or something like that). I believe Ian has tried to implement a way to select any resolution you like, but this produced lock-ups on visuals that have a hard-coded fixed resolution. :-/

The visual window can be stretched, but it makes the visual look icky. Maybe there could be a full-screen switch (like Alt-Enter in Windows Media Player) that could display the visual at its intended size and simply black out the rest of the screen?? Also, it would be cool to have several visual windows open at a time (ie Punkie & Aorta & Explosions playing at the same time) and it would be even cooler to have those several visuals playing at the same time on a black fullscreen window. Or maybe I'm asking a bit much, as that could fry computers if there are too many playing.
Oh well.

[Lyle]

Just as an added .02c worth on the visuals thing, I second (third, damn cant count) the call for both a fullscreen mod (with black out for fixed rez vis's) and for multiple vis screens (although I think my brain may complain  .
One more suggestion, in sonique you can configure some of the vis's by clicking on the screen (honto's phase is one, spec 'n hopp is another) can this be reproduced?

Thanks

[mediaPC]

Sorry if this has been suggested 2000 times before

-I'd like an auto playlist option, where playlists are automatically created or updated from defined directories... possibly updated with the pressing of an update button.

-I'd like it to feed off of an external playlist editor too, with the same feature as above.

-If used in conjunction with a larger playlist front-end, it would be nice to be able to minimize the player to the system tray.

-Pleeeease remove the possibility to loop just one song
(and returning songs during randomized play)

-I don't know if it's available now, but I'd like every single command option (including configuration of plugins if it's possible) to have keyboard commands. This is for enabling XMPlayer with Girder (a remote control software).

-It would be neat if one could try different mp3-decoders via plugins, and not only be "stuck" with one that could be outdated if you for some strange reason find it impossible to keep spending a good portion of your life developing the next version.


*grunt* Me like XMPlay

[Olego]

"-If used in conjunction with a larger playlist front-end, it would be nice to be able to minimize the player to the system tray."

If you right-click on the Minimize button, XMPlay will go into SysTray.  

"-It would be neat if one could try different mp3-decoders via plugins, and not only be "stuck" with one that could be outdated if you for some strange reason find it impossible to keep spending a good portion of your life developing the next version."

I personally see nothing wrong with the current decoder; and I trust people with really good speakers and ears when they tell me it sounds good; I know that it's better than many other decoders out there; so why change 'em?

And the whole playlist idea sounds too confusing.  Remember, that XMPlay is the smallest and the most compact player out there...  If it becomes blown up and huge with all these features that only a few people know how to use, then it'll lose most of its flavour.  Shortcuts idea sounds nice, only why would you need a shortcut for something like "Make XMPlay the default .mp2 player?"  There are already shortcuts for changing volume, aplification, play/stop/pause/next/previous/ff/rev/random...  Why need more?

But those are my questions.  I guess I'm a conservative when it comes to XMPlay.  I've been there since 1.1!  

~Olego~

[mediaPC]

I personally see nothing wrong with the current decoder
so why change 'em?


why would you need a shortcut for something like "Make XMPlay the default .mp2 player?"  There are already shortcuts for changing volume, aplification, play/stop/pause/next/previous/ff/rev/random...  Why need more?


But those are my questions.  I guess I'm a conservative when it comes to XMPlay.  I've been there since 1.1!  

~Olego~

-There is nothing wrong with the current decoder... on the contrary. It's just that I think that XMPlay as a whole is such a good player that I'd probably want to keep using it even if development stops. Newer tricks of squeezing better sound from mp3's might need updated plugins.

-I'm not sure I will need shortcuts for all functions (but better safe than sorry:)) It's just that I want to control it with a remote control software called Girder.

-As for the playlist ideas... that's to enable simplistic use with Girder too. Mind you, a standalone playlist editor like media jukebox specifically made for XMPlay wouldn't hurt........ me..... it probably will hurt the stress levels of the brilliant programmers here

[Ralesk]

-Pleeeease remove the possibility to loop just one song

Please not?
Why then? If you don't like it, don't use it. Duh.

[EDIT] You're not that much of a mod-guy, I see ^^;

[Keltic Danor]

The visual window can be stretched, but it makes the visual look icky. Maybe there could be a full-screen switch (like Alt- Enter in Windows Media Player) that could display the visual at its intended size and simply black out the rest of the screen??

I was talking about resolution, yes the size of the window can be changed but the resolution stays the same leading to chunky graphics. Which would still occur regardless of fullscreen or not. The resolution and the failure of some vis's to be flexible enough to handle any res', is the reason XMPlay does'nt support a user definable resolution.

One more suggestion, in sonique you can configure some of the vis's by clicking on the screen (honto's phase is one, spec 'n hopp is another) can this be reproduced?

Nope, XMPlay does not support  configuration this way *yet*. If you feeling good you can always edit their vis config file manually, at least for the time being.

-I'd like an auto playlist option, where playlists are automatically created or updated from defined directories... possibly updated with the pressing of an update button.

-I'd like it to feed off of an external playlist editor too, with the same feature as above.

A release of xmplay will incorporate DDE commands (I think? Heh sure Ian will tell me if I'm talking bollocks), so an external prog could tell XMPlay to open a generated playlist. Inbuilt by-directory playlist generation would doubtfully be used by everyone, but a little external app to generate them for you and update as required could be possible.

-If used in conjunction with a larger playlist front-end, it would be nice to be able to minimize the player to the system tray.

*Mental note, finish writing FAQ*

-I don't know if it's available now, but I'd like every single command option (including configuration of plugins if it's possible) to have keyboard commands. This is for enabling XMPlayer with Girder (a remote control software).

-It would be neat if one could try different mp3-decoders via plugins, and not only be "stuck" with one that could be outdated if you for some strange reason find it impossible to keep spending a good portion of your life developing the next version.

That many shortcuts would be a bit of overkill, for most part all the controls that you would change frequently already have shortcuts.

If you want more it may be best for you to say which bit you want shortcuts for, this would save making shortcuts that absolutely noone is interested in (Perhaps a poll?)

The thing about mp3 is that sooner or later its gonna be killed off by a bigger better format, so I would worry too much about XMPlay engine stagnating while new mp3 surprises pop up.

[Ralesk]

XMPlay engine stagnating while new mp3 surprises pop up.

And like when have we seen Ian not following the time... *notes that OGG RC3 is supported, duh*

[mediaPC]

-Pleeeease remove the possibility to loop just one song

Please not?
Why then? If you don't like it, don't use it. Duh.

[EDIT] You're not that much of a mod-guy, I see ^^;

Honestly? I don't even know what mods are.
But I did express myself wrongly... I meant that the auto repeat slightly annoying when in random play mode. (Not as annoying as the most powerful man in the world pronouncing nuclear as nucular though)

[Lyle]

Hmm Ok so if we cant click and edit the vis (some of the files have no cfg file), and the odds are stacking up agains variable resolution   thenI have one other vis related suggestion.  :idea: Is it possible to have a randomiser for the vises?  like a play list, you just set it to random so that for each song say you get a brand new vis to look at?

[Pooka]

Now if the new version could play Buzz BMX/BMW...

[Ian @ un4seen]

Hmm Ok so if we cant click and edit the vis (some of the files have no cfg file), and the odds are stacking up agains variable resolution  

Clicking in the visuals is supported in 2.4 via the middle button (left/right are already used).

Some vis plugins just crash when trying to increase the resolution, so variable resolution isn't possible. The plugins' CPU usage also increases very quickly as the resolution increases. I may add a full-screen mode, but that's only a "maybe"

Anyway, the good news is that RD has his net connection back, and has finished one skin and almost finished another. So XMPlay 2.4 should hopefully be released in a couple of weeks

[Lyle]

Clicking in the visuals is supported in 2.4 via the middle button (left/right are already used).

Yay!!! when you say middle button is this on the player?

Some vis plugins just crash when trying to increase the resolution, so variable resolution isn't possible. The plugins' CPU usage also increases very quickly as the resolution increases. I may add a full-screen mode, but that's only a "maybe"

No worries for me I (and i say this very softly for fear of a flame attack) realy wanted a multi format player that could play all my files... Vis's are an excellent addition and I will take what I get with a smile and a big thankyou sir.

Anyway, the good news is that RD has his net connection back, and has finished one skin and almost finished another. So XMPlay 2.4 should hopefully be released in a couple of weeks

Cant wait to see it.  Thanks to you and all the others who help out.  I would but i break most things I look at.....

[Ian @ un4seen]

Yay!!! when you say middle button is this on the player?

Middle mouse button

[Eduardo]

Its not a big thing but.... When I put double click on System Tray icon the XMplay restore, BUT a click message is sent to the system and another windows open (fron another program than was at the left of XMplay)
Can you "kill" the message of the SECOND click?
Thanks, the program it's almost perfect.

[Hakan]

It would be nice to have more detailed sample information in the instrument/sample window (F3), thats one of the few things (hmm... maybe the only) I miss from MPP.

Info that I feel most interesting to see there would be:
- Sample size
- Bitdepth
- Frequency
- Stereo/mono
- OGG or MP3 compressed and at which bitrate
...for each sample.