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[Fraggie]

Revision 25c has been released:
Changes:
 - fixed Top100 rank when playing from outside of HVSC,
 - fixed "Repeat short songs" option saving,
 - added support for update notification
 - added the historical "PSID" extension to the integration list

[saga]

I'm not sure if you can do anything about it, but here's a quite troublesome case:
http://www.se2a1.net:81/soasc/SID/MUSICIANS/C/Clarke_Peter/Bubble_Bobble.sid
Especially subtune 7/8 show the problem pretty well:
- in surround mode, the sound gets an *incredible* DC offset which totally destroys the sound
- the together with the snare sound in subtune 8, you hear some clicking, even with surround disabled.

[Fraggie]

The second issue seems to be a problem with the SID filters. You can try disabling them for now.
The first issue I cannot reproduce. Please post your [SID] part of xmplay.ini. Also a recording of what you hear would be cool.

[saga]

okay, here are the files
(temporary link removed)

EDIT: Disabling SID filters seems to fix *both* problems...

[Fraggie]

So does the surround option have anything to do with the problems? If it does and if you are using ASIO, please switch to Wave Out and try if it makes any difference.

[saga]

I use DirectSound and this is what happens:
- Filters + Surround: Clicks, huge incredible DC offset
- Filters + NO Surround: Clicks
- NO Filters + Surround: Works perfectly!

[modrobert]

I got xmplay 3.4.2.1 crashes (app just disappear in my win xp sp3) like every 15 minutes or so using SID rev.25c (also rev.25b before that) on the HVSC #49, tried to change just about every setting this plugin has. Usually the crash came in the first seconds of a sid tune, other than that I failed to see any pattern. My first guess was the fade-in and fade-out settings or the filter settings, but it didn't matter. I also tried to upgrade to xmplay 3.4.2.72 (stuff version), didn't help either, though it seem a bit further between crashes (probably placebo effect). Playing only mp3 or various amiga mods was no problem, so the crash was triggered by the SID plugin somehow.

Today I installed the DirectSound plugin for xmplay and now it works perfect!

I have the ASUS P5K SE motherboard (and Intel Quad Core 2 CPU) with Realtek HD Audio driver for Windows XP. The selected "Output Device" now reads "DirectSound - Realtek HD Audio output", before it was "Realtek HD Audio output".

BTW:

There is significant sound improvement in my setup using the linear interpolation sampling method with external filter setting.

[Elrinth]

Today I installed the DirectSound plugin for xmplay and now it works perfect!

so what you're saying is that if I change to DirectSound then sids won't crash xmplay any more?
because I've had random crashes with it... I'll give it a chance when I get home! thx!

EDIT: I was already using DirectSound as output.. so the crash issue is still here

[modrobert]

Today I installed the DirectSound plugin for xmplay and now it works perfect!

so what you're saying is that if I change to DirectSound then sids won't crash xmplay any more?
because I've had random crashes with it... I'll give it a chance when I get home! thx!

EDIT: I was already using DirectSound as output.. so the crash issue is still here

Yes, works for me, haven't had a crash yet and been letting it run continiously with randomplay on HVSC #49 (36081 sid's in playlist). I'm using XMPlay 3.4.2.72 (stuff version), SID plugin rev.25c, and DirectSound output Plugin (revision 1).

XMPlay stuff version:
http://www.un4seen.com/stuff/xmplay.exe

EDIT:

Here are my associated settings from the xmplay.ini file:

[SID]
PathsHvscFolder=C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Music\hvsc
PathsDocsFolder=C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Music\hvsc\documents
EmuSidEnvironment=3
EmuSidModel=0
EmuSidClock=0
EmuOptimizeEnable=1
EmuSeekingEnable=1
FiltersSidFiltersEnable=0
FiltersExternalFilterEnable=1
FiltersExternalFilterPassband=0
OutputSampleRate=4
OutputChannels=1
SamplingOversampling=0
SamplingMethod=1
SamplingPassband=0
SamplingFilterScale=970
SonglenLoadDb=1
SonglenDefaultDuration=300
SonglenAddFadeOut=0
SonglenRepeatCount=1
SonglenRepeatTimeMin=20
SonglenRepeatTimeMax=60
SonglenRepeatOnlyLooped=1
MixerPanning=80
MixerSurroundEnable=1
MixerVoiceOneVolume=100
MixerVoiceTwoVolume=100
MixerVoiceThreeVolume=100
FadeInEnable=1
FadeOutEnable=1
FadeOutTime=300
FadeOutJingleTime=30
StilLoadDb=1
StilProcessOutsideHvsc=1
StilShowComposer=1
StilShowFile=1
StilShowSong=1
StilShowBugList=1
StilShowTop100=1
LoaderSkipJingles=1
LoaderJingleTime=10
LoaderFilterPeriod=0
LoaderPeriodMin=1995
LoaderPeriodMax=2006
MiscShowFingerprint=0
MiscShowAddresses=0
SonglenRepeatShortSongs=0

[DirectSound]
Software=0
NoEmulated=1

I hope it helps.

[saga]

i got another random crash... tried to play C64Music\MUSICIANS\M\Mitch_and_Dane\Dane\Peek-a-Boo.sid from HVSC. the first time, XMplay crashed, the second time it worked.

[Fraggie]

I'll rewrite STIL and SLDB routines when I have some free time on my hands...

[modrobert]

It has been almost a week since I changed to the DirectSound output Plugin, still no xmplay crash (the pc runs 24/7), works great.

[fanoush]

Hi, I've come across interesting new technique of sampled sound in action.
see http://c64music.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-revolutionary-c64-music-routine.html or http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=72563

When playing that sid in rev25c I hear nothing. Would be nice to update reSID engine :-) From comments on page linked above "Sounds correct in vice 2.05 (sources from Sourceforge) setting reSID-fp and any alankila patch."

[SaphirJD]

had the same problems with the plugin 25b - only a bit different...

i played a sid at anytime in the playlist, some more songs where played correctly and then xmplay closes itself at the end at some song later.. the song is not corrupt, seems that the old plug corrupts anything for upcoming tracks.

Does this happen also in the new 25c version or should i update to the new version?

[Ugoff]

I don't suppose you'd consider HardSID support for the next release, would you?

[Fraggie]

If I ever buy a HardSid device I will support it.

[piovrauz]

Now I don't know if it's a bug, but I'm listening (1 song looped in XMPlay) to "Randy - Progressiva" and some other sid from this author and can't get to have the correct songlenght. I have songlenght database setup, but at the end it always play a little bit of the start, then starts again... in sidplay2/w it loops correctly. Can someone help me here?

[Fraggie]

This is because SLDB information is inaccurate. One second granularity is really not enough...

As far as I remember sidplay2/w does not support SLDB and plays indefinitely, so the song loops by itself "naturally", while XMP-SID will restart the song when it reaches the presumed end point.

[piovrauz]

mmm, ok. but: how can I setup (if it's possible) the sid plugin to play the song like sidplay2/w (no SLDB, play one song forever)?

[Jace]

Options and Stuff -> Plugins -> Input -> SID, config. Go to 'Song lengths' and uncheck the first box.
(I believe this'd do it.)